Healing suggestion

DeadCanDance

Right now, only shaman actually has a normal AoE heal. This makes it necessary to have a shaman for the normal passage of the content.
Why don't we try to balance the other classes a bit? I have a concrete proposal, but it needs testing.

Current situation :

Shaman Chain heal - Heals the friendly target for 170 to 208, then jumps to heal additional nearby targets. If cast on a party member, the heal will only jump to other party members. Each jump reduces the effectiveness of the heal by 40%. Heals 3 total targets.

CD - No cd ( only gcd ), skill can be spam
How is scales - +134.28% of spell power to direct component

Priest CoH - Heals up to 5 friendly party or raid members within 15 yards of the target for 133 to 169

CD - 6 sec cd
How is scales - +40.20% of spell power to direct component

Dudu WG - Heals up to 5 friendly party or raid members within 15 yards of the target for 119 over 7 sec. The amount healed is applied quickly at first, and slows down as the Wild Growth reaches its full duration.

CD - 6 sec cd
How is scales - +11.50% of spell power per tick

My suggestion is to up CoH and WG scaling. That's will make raid setup a lot more flexible.
CoH to + 85% of sp to direct component, WG to + 75% of sp per tick

Qeme

I appreciate the thought you've put into this suggestion, but I won’t be making changes to balance classes in a way that diminishes their unique strengths and weaknesses. Each class is designed to have its own role, and comparing them purely based on a single ability (like AoE healing) doesn’t give an accurate picture of their overall performance.

Shamans excel at chain healing, but Priests and Druids bring their own strengths—whether it's strong single-target healing, HoTs, shields, or burst healing. If there's actual evidence that a class is underperforming in its role as a whole, I'm open to looking at that, but I won't be tweaking abilities just to make every class equally good at something they're not meant to specialize in.

Balancing should be done at a role level, considering all abilities and utilities, not just based on one specific type of heal. Right now, I don’t see a reason to make changes, as all healing classes (to my understanding) are fully capable in their intended roles.

Thanks for the suggestion! Always happy to discuss balance, but it needs to be based on a broader perspective.

DeadCanDance

I agree with everything you wrote. That's right. And I'm sure that at 60lv things will be quite different, the limit between the possibilities of individual classes for mass healing will be much smaller.

My proposal is based on the current state of affairs - practically only the shaman can currently be the only healer, let's say in the battle with Rako. It is almost impossible for a priest or a druid to be the only healers in this battle. And this leads to the need for someone from the raid to log a shaman so that we can start, if there is no shaman healer in the raid. (point Goku, Jirty or me 😛 )

Last night I was with a druid as the only healer in the raid, 6 people half-dressed. It was fun on the one hand, I got a lot of pleasure, but there were situations in which if I had been with a shaman there would have been no victims 🙂 But we still managed to kill all the bosses 🙂 The healers of the realm are really rare, and the need for one specific class does not help things much. That's why I made the proposal - in order to make things much more flexible when composing a group.

Qeme

Thanks for clarifying, I appreciate the discussion. I think the real issue here isn’t that other healers need buffs, it’s that Shamans are overperforming in AoE healing. If one class is so strong that raids feel like they need them while other healers struggle to compete, the better solution might be to nerf Shamans rather than buffing everyone else.

Balancing isn't just about making everyone stronger, otherwise we’d just keep power creeping the game. If Shamans are too good at AoE healing, then that’s what needs to be looked at here, rather than boosting other classes.

So instead of buffing CoH or Wild Growth, I’ll take a look at whether Chain Heal needs tuning down to bring it in line with other healing specs.

Thanks for bringing it up. I welcome the discussion and I'll have a look at this.

DeadCanDance

Qeme Shamans are overperforming in AoE healing

Pure truth.

Qeme So instead of buffing CoH or Wild Growth, I’ll take a look at whether Chain Heal needs tuning down to bring it in line with other healing specs.

But this will lead to the need of 2 healers for say World Bosses, and that is also not good atm with the current population and class representation.

Qeme

DeadCanDance and that is also not good atm with the current population and class representation.

Yeah that's true. Maybe it's better to pretend this problem doesn't exist for the time being, if getting two healers isn't possible. At least theres one class that can help out and make WB's with fewer people. Then we can revisit it for phase 2 if the problem persists.

DeadCanDance

Qeme At least theres one class that can help out and make WB's with fewer people. Then we can revisit it for phase 2 if the problem persists.

Agree completely .
Good conversation, ty. Let things remain as they are at the moment.

DeadCanDance

Last week i think show my suggestion is good.
I'm play 5 times on my shamy and heal WB raids because other healers specs cant do it.
Shaman is OP, that's is right, but with current pop and class representation making other healers op at shamy level not feels wrong.

Qeme

Alright let's try some adjustments then.

Spell coefficients changed:

Circle of Healing: 40,2% -> 135%
Wild Growth: 11,5% -> 75%

Updated and live. Player testing and feedback is welcome. Thank you.

DeadCanDance

Tomorrow will do heal WB with dudu tree instead shamy and will provide feedback

Ithiloneth

@Qeme Are you keeping track of changes like these so they can be reverted for 60?
So we don't hit 60 with massive buffs/nerfs in place for various abilities.

Beyond that, I'm happy to see other healer classes make a comeback in raids – personally I'm hoping to see more priests around (love that Mass Dispel!).

DeadCanDance

Ithiloneth more priests around (love that Mass Dispel!

Mass Dispel share slot with Penance, you will not see many priests with Mass Dispel as healers 🙂

Qeme

Ithiloneth
Are you keeping track of changes like these so they can be reverted for 60?
So we don't hit 60 with massive buffs/nerfs in place for various abilities.

Yeah I'm keeping track of the changes so they can easily be reverted.

Ithiloneth

DeadCanDance This is a problem for many healers – good healing spell runes sharing slots with the skills you need to dispel/buff/support.

In my opinion a good healer, under the current meta, has to accept giving up their best healing spells to provide the support that's required – if it doesn't make healing the raid too difficult.
For example, I've often had to play without Chain Heal and Riptide, (two of the best healing spells) to provide buffs for others.

This could be considered a problem with the meta (specifically having spells as runes, when maybe those spells would be better of as skills at the trainer).
Forcing players to choose between being a helpful raider who provides raid wide buffs, and having access to the good, fun, spells they need for healing.

DeadCanDance

Dudu changes working fine.
Goku heal on dudu both Wbosses, and raid after

Here is Rako dudu healing - click

Ithiloneth

A thought; this will very likely unbalance PvP healing.

@Qeme Consider adding an equally diminishing PvP scaling to the two spells to adjust for this buff, if you haven't already.

DeadCanDance

its a time loss to balance not existing thing 😛

Ithiloneth

Better to do it now, than forget about it only to discover it broke an event or something.
Just my opinion.

DeadCanDance

Today tested priest COH scaling on Rako fight.
All working fine, priest changes is ok - screenshot

Now we have 3 healing specs who can solo heal WBosses, job done.